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>> if you have a question you want answered send us e-mail to firstname.lastname@example.org. top of the hour. i want to get you up to speed. personal political issue of same-sex marriage is on the ballot in north carolina. it would change the state constitution to say, quote, marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this state. former president bill clinton recorded robo calls opposing it. billy graham urged support. u.s. experts trying to determine if the latest al qaeda bomb could have slipped through airport security. the device contained no metal and showed a new level of sophistication. it was seized by the cia after a tip from the saudis. al qaeda had dispatch add suicide bomber from yemen.
he was meant to board a flight to the united states with that device under his clothes. authorities leave alaseery was behind the plot and mind the so-called underwear bombing attempt in 2009. >> the plot itself indicates that these terrorists keep trying, they keep trying to device more terrible ways to kill innocent people. and it's a reminder as to why we have to remain vigilant. >> something that is disturbing, this is a homeless man, yelling, pleading for help as he's kicked, punched, tasered by police officers. that man died last july, five days after the beating. one of the fullerton, california officers is charged with
second-degree murder, another is charged with manslaughter and excessive force. the judge is deciding whether there is enough evidence for them to be tried. >> new developments minutes ago in the search for a kidnapping suspect and the two young girls, the suspect's wife and mother are under arrest on especially aggravated kidnapping charges. the situation so desperate because of the bodies of the girls' mother and sister were found in a shallow grave in a home linked to this man, adam mayes. he is still out there somewhere. >> evidence is sobering. al qaeda operatives becoming better at building bombs to slip past security. the most alarming thing we're learning from the new plot. the new device had non-metallic explosive, similar to the underwear bomb plot christmas 2009. a malfunction prevented that bomb from being detonated.
this latest plot was foiled two weeks ago. it was intended for a flight coming into the united states. the plan attacks bear the hallmarks of al qaeda. i want to bring in fran townsend joining us via skype. fran, first of all, should we be worried about looking at this kind of bomb and others like it that they are not going to be detected in the airports. >> suzanne, of course it's worrying because we're all familiar going through metal detectors. there are other kinds of devices, there's the back scatter and the millimeter wave detention, those are the ones that people had real concerns about initially but those are just the kinds of ones that will find an anomaly, something that is on your person that shouldn't be there. we also have -- there's this layered approach to aviation security that includes people looking for certain behaviors. you are screened coming through.
there's also the swipe test in some airports that is done randomly. all of these layers provide us with some level of confidence that one of them will catch you. the problem with this is, as you pointed out suzanne, the greater level of sophistication. this is a virtually odorless -- if it's the same sort of explosive used by the underwear bomber it is an odorless, high explosive, not much is required. and if they have gotten a dettation device correctly he could have -- they could have gotten lucky. >> is the tsa ready to handle this? do we have the equipment necessary if this bomb made it on a plane on that suicide bomber? would have the gone undetected and gone off? >> that's exactly the right question. and i feel some degree of confidence knowing that the fbi has probably the best bomb analysis and forensics lab in the world. this bomb is now at the fbi's
bomb facility where they are analyzing it. they will be able to basically by reverse engineering and looking at how it was built and what the detonation element is, they will be able to determine whether or not we have an appropriate array of security screening going through or we need to bump that up. whether we need something different. >> do we know anything about this suicide bomber, is he alive, dead, do we know where he might be? >> senior administration officials said to me last night he is no longer a threat. and other sources have been saying the same thing. that of course says to you he is either dead or in custody and overnight we learned that he is alive. so presumably the bomber is in the custody of either the united states or more likely one of our foreign partners. >> what do you suppose they are looking from him, what kind of information do they need from that guy? >> first, your very first
question to him is, was there only one bomb constructed. or were there others. and if the answer is there were others because of course we know al qaeda is known for these multiple simultaneous attacks it's unlikely they made just one. what you hope to get from him first is were there others, who was carrying them, what flights and where were they headed. >> is that the kind of information that is easy to obtain? >> no. it's not. if al qaeda were smart of course each individual only knows about himself. he can't identify, you don't let him have that information in case he gets caught. that's what you're looking for from him, whether or not he knows any of this. >> do we know if he is part of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, is that a group he is a member of, is that a strong terrorist organization that poses a threat to us now? >> al qaeda in the arabian peninsula is the most operational capable. the language that john brennan
used this morning. we don't know whether or not this individual is a member but if it's emanating out of the alseery cell, he's the bomb maker responsible for the underpants bomb, if it's coming out of that cell it is likely that this is emanating from al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and of course, the people, our allies that work against that group are the saudi intelligence who provided the tip. >> the obama administration satisfied with the help they are getting from the saudis? >> i think you know, they are the ones who gave us the air bill invoice number for the cargo planes. we wouldn't have found those bombs without them. they work closely. and a prince was almost assassinated by one of the bombs. i think in this instance they have been extremely satisfied with the cooperation but i think the saudis weren't alone in their help. it's clear that the brits were
helpful and perhaps the yemi >> talking about this plot and peter king tells cnn the al qaeda operation shows what he is quoting as a new level of sophistication in this terrorist organization. >> al qaeda and its affiliates can ma as the to sis and morph. they are constantly trying to catch up. when it appears we have them boxed in they find a new method, they are very able scientists, doctors working for them. these are sophisticated people. they nofr symptom. that's why it's so wrong when people in the national arena say the war on terrorism is over. certain parts of al qaeda have been knocked back. just when you get to one place they start somewhere else. this is a very sophisticated deadly organization and they have one goal in mind, destroy western civilization. particularly the united states. >> some of the stories we're covering the next hour.
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>> what is her role? >> well, she was on the stand for a short time. i'm not sure what the there is going to be there, you know what i mean. she was explaining how she, when she met john edwards, when she went to work for him, began to volunteer for him in 2003, she did say a couple of interesting things, one, she was with john edwards when he would pick up the the phone and start doing his own fundraising calls. she was asked was he good at it. oh, yeah, he was good at it. that he knew campaign law, what the rules and restrictions were, and, that he had a cadre of the very prolific donors known as the trial bar, the trial attorneys in america behind him. and that was used to get him on the ticket with john kerry because wherever he went the money would come. >> diane, why is it important to show that john edwards was good at raising money and getting money from folks? what is behind that? >> you know, we have not -- i think everybody needs to realize
we've only seen the prosecution case so far. the defense, however, in cross and in their opening made it sort of clear that john edwards was the candidate, he stood back from what was happening. of course he knew that there was money coming in but he removed himself from that. it's testimony like eileen's that puts him in the middle of it. >> is there also testimony, i understand tim toobin was one of the people before the stand. what is his role in this? >> he was very interesting. i'll tell you the defense i think scored some very big points in their cross-examination. tim toobin is the very good friend and the close confidante of andrew young when an drup was on the road with the pregnant reel hunter. there is the man i wrote about who at 4:00 one morning in december 2006, spirited them all the way to the airport so they could go on the run, the youngs and this pregnant woman who he didn't know who she was.
but today on cross-examination, the defense attorney scored some big points asking him about his collaboration with young. he said no, i was very disappointed by the senator because i was a supporter, but i'm not hostile, i'm not bitter, i'm just feel like i was left down. well, she then brought out -- i counted at least 19 or 20 of the e-mails that he and andrew young had exchanged. and in these e-mails these two men called john edwards all sorts of names, some of them i cannot tell you on the air. but things like a skeeze, a pathetic little man, an evil little what was it -- a sick and evil bastard. he called elizabeth edwards a bitch. he said yes, i am embarrelsed to
say yes, i did call her that. so i think it did go to his credibility a bit. >> sorry about that. all of that language, harsh language, they are angry, how are the jurors reacting when they heard that from folks on the witness stand? >> there is an african-american woman, juror 3 who sits in the front and i saw her sort of viz inably stiffen a little bit. i saw them really lean forward when the defense attorney revealed that this man tim tobin, had gone on, left edwards' support and gone to the obama administration. he had dinner with an obama operative in north carolina, specifically to say, to tell him what he knew. he said i know that the nat n "national enquirer" doesn't
always get it right but i think they got it right and i've just come from a dinner with john edwards talking about being your vice president. i'm telling you you ought to take care in the vetting process because i think this is true about this affair and this baby. >> so you had an edwards insider who essentially was having dinner with the obama folks saying look, heads up on this guy, we don't think he should be your running mate. >> right. exactly. and he was questioned about that, and sort of had no apologies. he said look, i wanted a democrat in the white house. i did not want to chance it. i had some information, it was public information. i just wanted to make sure, i'm paraphrasing him, i wanted to make sure that everybody believed what they were reading because i knew it to be true. one more thing. it was revealed that the last e-mail that andrew young -- the last e-mail shown here between andrew young and tim tobin was mocking senator edwards for
going to haiti to help the earthquake victims. and there was a very juicy exchange between the two saying well, this is bull blank all he needs now is a cape. he was asked well, don't you think it's a nice thing to go and help haitian refugees, and he said yes, i do, my brother steve works for a foundation that's in haiti every day all year round. given the time that he did it to go in and wave a flag i thought was disingenuous. the time frame was just as the book, andrew young's book "the politician" was being released. >> i find this fascinating when you think about this, you had an edwards insider giving the obama campaign a heads up and you know during the time i was covering the obama campaign they were looking at edwards seriously and he was really -- he was trying very hard to win their favor saying look, i'm going to talk about poverty and these things, hand you all of these supporters here. final question to you. rielle hunter, what do we know
about her, where is she, how is it going with her? >> that is a $64,000 question. i'll tell you. i don't know. nobody knows. and nobody's talking. it is my feeling that the federal prosecutors here will not call rielle hunter. why should they. she is the defense's problem, she is the elephant in the room so to speak. they had a very good sort of clean case here, and she's very, very unpredictable. i think they are ready, willing and able to let the defense attorney take on rielle hunter and they do the cross-examination. >> all right. diane dimond, great as always. good to see you. >> chinese are cracking down on fournl journalists. all energy development comes with some risk,
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media wars intensifying in china. the government kicked out an english reporter amid outrage over the chinese black activist. our stan grant reports that china is taking stronger action to control the media coverage. >> ever get the feeling you're being watched? while our camera set up there is a camera here, here, to watch us. sima is a foot soldier in a propaganda war, runs his own website speaking for those who see america as the enemy. he is taking aim at the blind activist chen guangcheng.
he says i don't think he deserves the political symbolism others are giving him. in an editorial for the communist party mouthpiece global times he labels chen a pawn. china appears to ramp up a smear campaign against the activist as he waits for a passport to leave for the u.s. as it unleashes its state-controlled media, it's also accused of trying to stifle foreign press. journalists are locked out of the beijing hospital where chen has been holed up. he was brought here from the u.s. embassy after escaping house arrest. reporters are warned by chinese authorities not to enter the hospital or risk having their visas revoked. al jazeera reporter has been kicked out of the company, her credentials not renewed. while not believed to be
directly related media groups say this is another indication of china's hardline stance against sensitive reporting. her network is giving no reason for the expulsion. china's foreign ministry spokesman says journalists must abide by the country's rules. >> we have always provided a convenient environment for foreign journalists to report in china, he says. this is a fact for all to see and you can all feel it. bloggers certainly wanted us to feel it today. with three cameras pointed at us, it was there for all to see. stan grant, cnn, beijing. >> the intense manhunt for a man who police believe to be a killer and a kidnapper. the bodies of their mother and sister have been found. we're going deeper into this story. about your dog's nutrition. like the dual-defense antioxidants in our food that work around the clock...
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speaking at the college of science and engineering as part of the university. the president is pushing congress to support his plan for jobs and economic growth. let's take a listen. >> most importantly give your kids a chance to do even better than you did. and that's something we believe has to be available to everybody, no matter where you come from, no matter what you look like. we can make a difference and if this break or make moment for america's middle class there is no excuse for inaction, no excuse for dragging our feet. none. over the last few years there are certain steps that i've been able to take on my own to help spur the kind of innovation we're seeing here. and also to help the overall economy grow so we announced a new policy several months back that will help families
refinance their mortgages. save up to thousands of dollars a year. we sped up loans and competitive grants for new projects across the country so thousands of construction workers can get back on the job. we simplified the student loan process to help roughly 5.8 million students like the students here save money on repayments. so these are some steps that the administration has been able to take on its own. but the truth is, the only way we can accelerate the job creation that takes place on a scale that is needed, is bold action from congress. because of the recovery act, because all of the work we've done we created over 4 million jobs over the last two years. we created hundreds of thousands
of jobs each month over the last several months, so we're making progress, but everybody knows we need to do more. and in order to do that we're going to need more action from congress. democrats and republicans have to come together. and they have shown that they can do it. they did some important work. they passed tax cuts for workers, approved trade deals to open up new markets for american products, we reformed our patent system to make it easier for innovative ideas to come to market. those are all good things. but the size of the challenges we face requires us to do more. so back last september i sent congress a jobs bill. it included all sorts of policies that we knew would help grow our economy and put more americans back to work. that wasn't just my opinion, it wasn't just the opinion of democrats it was the opinion of independent nonpartisan experts.
economists who do this for a living and analysts on wall street who evaluate what's going to really make the economy grow. the one big piece that we were able to get done was make sure we didn't see payroll taxes go up, and people get 40 bucks taken out of their paychecks each time. but most of it didn't get done in congress. just about every time we put these policies up for a vote, the republicans in congress got together and said no. they said no to putting hundreds of thousands of construction workers back to work. no to a new tax cut for businesses that hire new workers. no to putting more teachers back in our classrooms. more cops back on the beat, more firefighters back to work. and this is at a time when we know one of the big es drags on
our economy has been layoffs by state and local governments. that's true across the country. and it's worth noting this is just a little aside, after there was a recession under ronald reagan, government employment went way up. it went up after the recessions under the first george bush and the second george bush. so, each time there was a recession, with a republican president, compensated, we examine sated by making sure that government didn't see a drastic reduction in employment. the only time government employment has gone down during a recession has been under me. so, i make that point -- i make that point just so you don't buy into this whole bloated government argument that you hear. frankly, if congress said yes to helping states put teachers back
to work, and put the economy before our politics, then tens of thousands of more teachers in new york would have a job right now. that is a fact. that would mean not only lower unemployment rate but also more customers for business. i know this is an election year. but it's not an excuse for inaction. six months is plenty of time for democrats and republicans to get together and do the right thing, taking steps that will spur additional job creation right now. just saying no to ideas that we know will help our economy isn't an option. there is too much at stake. we've all got to pull in the same direction. so even if republicans are still saying no to some of the bigger proposals we made in the jobs act. there are some additional ideas that could help people get to work right now and that they haven't said no to yet so i'm hoping they say yes.
they are simple ideas, the kinds of things in the past that have been supported by democrats and republicans. these are traditional ideas that had bipartisan support. they won't have as big of an impact as rebuilding our infrastructure but together all of these ideas will do two things, grow the economy faster, create more jobs. today i'm announcing a handy little to do list that we put together for congress. you can see it for yourselves. whitehouse.gov. about the size of a post-it noxt every member of congress should have time to read it. they can glance at it every so often. hopefully we'll be checking off the list, just like when michelle give me a list i check it off. each of the ideas on this list will help accelerate our economy and put people back to work. not in november, not in next year but right now. i'm going to go through the
list. first, congress needs to help the millions of american who is have worked hard, made their mortgage payments on time, but still unable to refinance their mortgages with the historically low rates. this would make a huge difference for the economy. families could save thousands of dollars and that means they got more money in their pocket which means they can either build their equity back up on their homes or use that money to do things like helping their kids finance a college education. so congress should give those responsible homeowners a chance to refinance at a lower rate. we estimate they would save at least 3 thousand dollars a year. it's not complicated. second. second. if congress fails to act soon, clean energy companies will see their taxes go up and they could be forced to lay off employees.
in fact, we're already hearing from forks who produce wind tr turbines and a lot of this green energy that they are getting worried because there is uncertainty. congress hasn't renewed some of the tax breaks that are so important to this industry. and since i know that the other side in congress have promised they will never raise taxes as long as they live, this is a good time to keep that promise when the businesses are helping us break our dependence on foreign oil. so we should extend these tax breaks. that's number two. number 3. congress should help small business owners by giving them a tax break for hiring more workers and paying them higher wages.
we believe small businesses are the engine of economic growth in this country, we should not hold them to a situation where they may end up having to pay higher taxes just by hiring more workers. we should make it easier for them to succeed. that's on our to do list. number four, congress should help our veterans returning from iraq and afghanistan, find a good job once they come home. our men and women in uniform have served this country with such honor and distinction, a lot of them come from upstate new york. now it's our turn to serve them. so we should create a veterans job corps that helps them find work as cops, firefighters, employees at our national parks. that's on our to do list.
then the last item, the fifth item which bears especially on what's going on here, the last item on our congressional to do list is something that will help a lot of you in particular. you know better than anybody that technology advanced by leaps and bounds. that's a great thing. businesses are more productive. consumers are getting better products t s for less. technology also made a lot of jobs obsolete. factories where people thought they would retire suddenly left town. jobs got shipped overseas. the result has been a lot of pain for a lot of communities and families. there is a silver lining in all of this. after years of undercutting the competition now it's getting more expensive to do business in places like china. wages are going up. shipping costs are going up. american workers are getting
more efficient, companies located here are becoming more and more competitive. so for a lot of businesses it's now starting to make sense -- >> president obama talking about his to do list for congress but back in washington a senate smackdown in the fight over student loan rates. republicans blocked a bill to extend a 3.4% rate that's in effect now. rates are set to double next month. both parties want to extend these but don't agree how to pay for it. they have to come up with some kind of agreement. today's vote largely symbolic. back in the 80s, the stars of dallas and die ness city. why they are on capitol hill fighting for a cause that is close to their heart. for three hours a week, i'm a coach.
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for meals for mom campaign being run by meals on wheels association. more than 7.5 million seniors now facing the threat of hunger and senior women are most at risk here. they join us from washington. good to see you both. you both look absolutely beautiful. just as i remember watching both of your shows there. forgive me if i call you crystal and sue ellen. it's nice to see you. >> we're used to it. >> absolutely. give me a sense of why you took up this cause here. what drove you to get involved with meals for moms. let's start with linda evans. >> i'm the new kid on the block but i'll tell you something. they got in contact with me. they wanted a recipe from a book that i had written, and i said who are these guys? and when i found out who they are and what they did, i was compelled by my heart. there was no way i couldn't be here. i am a senior, i'm 69, the fact that these women are fed, you
know, one meal a day for lunch, not on weekends i said we have to do something about this. linda, now, she's been here for a while. she can tell you. >> yeah. you've done it for much longer now. tell us what you see and who you talk to and what the situation is for a lot of these older women. >> well, i'm a senior also. a little older than this one, my younger sister here. and i'm a mother and a grandmother. when i heard that 8.3 million americans are hungry, it was kind of staggering to me. more than staggering. i had been to developing countries and fed children in different countries. and when i found out our own country has 8.3 million people hungry, so our ceo invite immediate to richmond, virginia and i went into the meals on wheels kitchen, green kitchen, amazing people. then i went into the packaging room, packaged everything, threw
it in the van and went to meet these people. i sat on their couches, their stoops and heard their stories. i realized programs i was the only person they had seen that entire day. the only person to listen to them and hear what they had to say. and they are homebound. can't cook and rely on meals on wheels. for me it was nourishment for my soul, for them, nourishment of soul and spirit and you don't -- you don't walk away from that. you go in and say look, this is happening in america, and we have to do something about it. so that's what we're doing. >> such a poetic way of putting it. miss evans, talk about what are you doing on the hill there, what are you hoping to accomplish by bringing attention to this. >> well, awareness. when i heard the facts i had to do something about it. we're hoping that we can get this out to america, that perhaps they'll listen to us tell the story about how this is
going to affect every single one of us. one in seven seniors is going to have this problem and there are a lot of us around right now. we want to get the word out so we can stop this horrible cycle of millions of people being hungry every day. >> are you talking to members of congress or specific things that either one of you would like people to do? >> i had a meeting with my congressman this morning, senator mckeon from california. he was very -- he was -- he listened, was very supportive, very open to the fact that yes, he knows about it. and there's a meals on wheels in his district so i think if we get those people, i said to him i'd like to see world hunger ended like everybody else but he said it's like taking an elephant in the room and how are you going to eat an elephant, one bite at a time. that's what we're hoping to do is take one little bite, send awareness to everybody listening and hope they will pay attention
to the seniors in their community. >> does it surprise either one of you who have grown up working and who look so beautiful and who had such wonderful and in some ways glamorous lives to know there are older women who are suffering the way suffering are in this country? >> yeah, it's stunning. it's shocking. and we're hoping that everybody else will have the same feeling about it. and if they can't donate anything to them, that they can volunteer. i mean, a lot of the people who volunteer are seniors. and there are families, whole families that deliver meals. there are so many things that people can do. it isn't just about money. >> it's not about republican or democrat. here in washington. it's about humanity. >> and i can't let you go without asking both of you, what's next for you? do you have projects on the big screen? >> she's got a big project. you tell them what you're doing. >> "dallas" is coming back june 13. >> really?
>> oh, you bet. you bet. we're coming back. tnt, june 13. 9:00. >> sue ellen returns? yes? >> wait till you see what she's up to. yeah. and everybody else. it's quite spectacular. >> is dynasty returning as well? >> well, i don't know. i guess we're going to watch. i'm certain this is going to be something. i just did a book called "recipes for life" where i had my memories for life and recipes because food is one of my passions for life. here's all these people struggling for just a meal a day. so i'm now interested in this in this project meals for wheels. >> it's so nice to see you both. and really, i mean, it's -- it really is just like going back in time. you both look beautiful. i appreciate your time. and obviously it's a good cause.
mothers thought they were in the normal range. baby fat plight be cute, but too much increases the a child's risk of being overweight. is only mothers were part of the study. fathers were not included. u.s. experts are trying to determine if the latest al qaeda bomb could have slipped through airport security. the device contained no metal and showed a new level of sophistication. it was seized by the cia after a tip from the saudis. apparently al qaeda dispatched a suicide bomber from yemen. he was meant to board a flight to the united states with the device under his clothes. authorities believe that ibrahim hassan alasiri was behind the plot. he was also behind the underwear bombing attempt at christmas back in 2009. >> the man itself indicates these terrorists keep trying to devise more and more perverse and terrible ways to kill innocent people, and it's a reminder as to why we have to
remain vigilant. >> clinton-biden ticket in 2016? or would it be a biden-clinton ticket? the vice president joked over the weekend about teaming up with secretary of state hillary clinton in 2016. clinton sat down for an interview and asked about teaming up with biden. >> we've been friends for a long time and, you know, we've been on the same team. we've been on the same team in the senate. we're on the same team now for president obama. and no matter what i do in the future, i would love to have joe be on my team. he's a great and effective person who cares deeply about our country. >> secretary clinton was also asked about what some of her -- calling her more relaxed image. here's what she said about that. >> i feel so relieved to be at the stage i'm at in my life right now, jill. because, you know, if i want to wear my glasses, i'm wearing my glasses. if i, you know, want to pull my hair back, i'm pulling my hair
back. at some point, it's -- it's just notdeserves a whole lot of time and attention. if others want to worry about it, i'll let them do do the worrying for a change. >> it doesn't drive you crazy? >> it doesn't at all. it's not something that i think is that important anymore. >> good for her. she's not just pulling her hair back, she's also letting her hair down as we saw in some of those pictures from colombia. cnn news room is continuing in a few minutes with brooke baldwin. [ male announcer ] introducing the dell xps 13 ultrabook™,
a dramatic twist in the search for two young girls. the wrief aife and mother of th suspect is under arrest. the mother came out saying she drove a vehicle containing the foir vehicles from tennessee to mississippi. and mississippi is where police now confirm that two bodies found in a shallow ground. this town is called gun town. they are that of missing mother and one of her daughters. authorities, though, are not yet releasing their cause of death. but i can tell you, helicopters have been over the home as crews unearth these bodies monday. today police say that home is connected to the man everyone is looking for, adam mayes, once described as a family friend. take a good long look at this picture with me.
he's now a suspect here in the kidnapping of that mother and her girls. a warrant has been issued for his arrest. and there are still two girls missing in this case here. 12-year-old alexandria, and 8-year-old kyliyah. >> we're foipding out that the wife of adam mayes tells authority, she was actually doing the driving when this mother and her three daughters were abducted from tennessee and taken to mississippi. we're also finding out that the mother knew about this. so we're finding out from authorities that these two not only conspired to be part of this kidnapping and knew about it, but mayes' wife was actually the driver in the kidnapping.
and now they have both been arrested. they're charged with the highest form of kidnapping in the state of tennessee, which carries a minimum of 15 years in prison if they're found guilty. so these two now it sounds like linked. facing these charges. you also have details of items found in a search. tell me about what you know. >> that's right. just when you thought this case wouldn't get any sadder or stranger, we're looking at these affidavits that came out with the charges that were filed. and we're finding out that mayes himself, not only had a home in tennessee close to this family, but he was renting a trailer in mississippi. and in that trailer, they found the belongings of the two younger daughters that were kidnapped. so at this point, they know the girls were alive when they were taken to that trailer possibly. there have been no bodies discovered of those two girls. they are assuming that they are alive. we are hoping that they are alive. but at this point, their whereabouts and as well as the
whereabouts of mayes are still unknown. >> final question, i know it's still very early. any motive yet? >> that's the strange thing. no one knows exactly why. we know mayes was extremely close to this family. mayes believed the daughters were his. we don't know if he was speaking figuratively or literally. but we do know he was very close to those three girls and we just don't know why this could possibly be happening at this point. >> david mattingly, we'll check back with you. thank you so much. we're watching wall street. the dow, down 136 points. it's slipping, alison, why? >> remember the debt crisis in greece? it's kind of back in a different way today. if i recalls are trying to form
a new government in greece. there's no clear leader that came out of the elections. as wall street sees it, they're not sure how this political situation will pan out. will the new leadership that finally gets into place, will it blow up the debt deal that took so long to put into place in the first place? also will greece drop out of the euro zone? that is a huge concern for wall street? so all of that uncertainty, pile that on, it's not giving investors inty reason to buy into the market. and you're seeing that uncertainty in europe playing out right here on wall street with the dow falling 145 points, though. the dow is off its lows of the session. you can see the fear certainly ramping up today. that's the vix. that measures the fear and the volatility in the mark. that's up 6%. so we're keeping an eye on stocks for you, brooke. >> uncertainty manifesting itself certainly on wall street. also unfolding now, the terror plot against the u.s. as the
feds look into other potential bomb plots, targeting padgetts. there's commotion abreuing on capitol hill over who was kept in the dark and if anything was leaked. i want to go to kate baldwin. and kate, some lawmakers say, you know, the way this went public it could absolutely damage future investigations here. >> absolutely. and i should say why i'm on the phone and not on camera with you is i'm standing outside what is the first official briefing on capitol hill. house intelligence committee members are being briefed here on capitol hill. and we should be hearing from some of the key lawmakers if they leave. and hopefully will give us more information about what we learned. the senate will also be receiving a similar briefing later this afternoon. so a very important opportunity for law makers who have questions and concerns that they're going to try to get some answers to that. many questions really do remain not a lot of clarity at this point. of how much people appear on capitol hill.
knew and when they were really informed. that's been a really key question. the republican chair of the house security committee says information may have been leaked prematurely. the republican senator from maine also voiced concerned over -- ranking memory on the homeland security committee. why key members weren't briefed earlier. so there are concerns about where the information flow was, why they weren't informed earlier. and those are definitely some of the questions being asked in these briefings that are ongoing right now. >> you're meeting with the house intelligence committee, as soon as you see the leaders, let us know what they say to you and if those key questions have been answered, we want to know as well. we appreciate it. part of the overarching bit of the story, what happens is the next time you head to the airport?
will security be stricter as a result of this thwarted plot? we're going to talk about this with the former transportation department inspector general, mary schiavo. that is next hour. more news unfolding right now, rapid fire, roll it. >> the u.s. government projected to make a hefty profit from the bailout of the insurance giant aig. $15.1 billion. this is according to a congressional watchdog panel. ig, as you know, bailed out to the tune of $180 billion back in 2008. at that time, it was wrapped up in faltering mortgage market during the housing meltdown, housing crisis. in oregon, prosecutors say one father's bloods alcohol level was almost triple the legal limit. that's not the whole story here. when his suv was pulled over, a state trooper says his 10-year-old son was behind the wheel. >> we feel bad for that 10-year-old boy that he was put in that position.
definitely unusual. we're glad this is unusual. glad it doesn't happen very often. >> that's unbelievable. completely unbelievable for parents to be that have irresponsible. >> 10 years old. the father faces myriad charges there. this father told an affiliate he was only fulfilling his son's desire to drive. and the author of the classive children's book "where the wild things are" has died. a spokesman for harper collins publisher maurice sendak died of complications of a recent stroke. his final book, inspired by his love for his brother will be published next february. sendak was 8 3. and from billy graham to bill clinton, heavyweights weighing in on the same sex marriage vote under way right there very minute in north carolina. but is this amendment really about something else? another issue? hmm.
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north carolina voting today on a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage. you may have known that, but did you also know this? all of the former confederate states, each and every one with the exception of north carolina have banned gay marriage by constitutional amendment already. also, north carolina has a law in the books that pretty much does the same thing already. still, take a look at the lines here. early voting we're told was massive. and heavy hitters on both sides of the issue are jump into this slugfest. heavy hitter including bill clinton. take a listen. >> its passage would also take away health insurance from children and could even take away domestic violence protections from women. so the real effect of the law is not to keep the traditional definition of marriage. they've already done that. the real effect of the law will be to hurt families and drive away jobs.
so clinton is get into north carolina state politics there. also north carolinian billy graham getting involved as well. the 93-year-old pastor says, and i'm kboetiquoting, the bible is, god's definition of marriage is between a man and a woman. he supports this amendment, which by the way, is expected to pass. once it's all said and done here today. joining me now live from new york, jay thomas from the jay thomas show. jay, nice to have you on and nice to meet you here. >> thank you. >> you know, we just heard the voice of bill clinton. and beth perdue. both are suggesting that north carolina already has a law on the books that bans gay marriage. this specifically today, this is amendment 1, a constitutionalal amendment. they say this is really about something else. what something else do you think that might be? >> well, i'm born in texas, raised in louisiana and have been in and out of charlotte for 30 years. and i -- if you already have an amendment against it, i guess
they're saying we are really, really, really against gay marriage and we mean it two times. >> why do you need to really, really? >> i don't know why. it may lead to dancing. i don't know what their problem is in north carolina. but there actually have have been a couple of pastors. i'm surprised there was a baptist pastor that was not against the -- you know, said don't vote for this, we already have it and that north carolina is going to have to modernize at some point. here is the banking center of the south, certainly next to maybe atlanta. you know, it was running up on new york before the crisis. as you know, we have all the wonderful universities. this is almost as stupid and embarrassing as when a black person wasn't allowed on the same seat as a white person when i was a kid. and black and white marriage wasn't, you know, allowed. it's embarrassing. >> but, jay thomas, you hear the people, you hear folks like
reverend billy graham, raleigh news and observer all talking about this is how we feel and neighbor these young folks one day can repeal this, but for now, if it was all banned, we want to make sure the, you know, the door is locked and we're tossing out the key. that's how they feel. and they have a right to feel that way. >> let's look at how this happened. marriage was civil. marriage was co-opted and appropriated by churches as long as after the states, the city states allowed it. so it was co-oped by religion. you have the right, the pursuit of happiness from the declaration of independence. we also have discrimination laws. and there's no reason that the state cannot marry people. you don't have to accept them into your church. that's fine. i'm all for that. but there's no reason why the state cannot marry people. it is a civil union. there are some people who say call it a civil union and i'll
vote and say it's okay. it's the word marriage that they found religious. >> not even specifically -- jay, i mean, amendment 1 -- we're not -- we're past marriage in north carolina. this is domestic partnership, civil unions. and that is what they specifically would be banning with this referendum. but let me take this bigger picture here. you have joe biden. he's gotten himself in a little bit of hot water for getting ahead of the president saying he is fine with gay marriage. he takes it there. i know a lot of folks -- you know, they seem to assume the president feels the same way. but the president isn't quite going there. i think liz word is, he's evolving. why wouldn't the president get out on front on this politically? >> i knew what you were going to ask me today. joe biden knew what they were going to ask him on sunday morning. that is nonsense that the president didn't know what joe biden was going to say. that's ridiculous. and i think that the president ought to be embarrassed also. it is discrimination. >> embarrassed? >> absolutely embarrassed.
and i think the state of north carolina should be embarrassed today also. and i don't know one of my republican friends that -- they could care less about gay marriage. it really isn't something that the majority of people care about. it's a fringe thing. it's almost like this woman brewer in arizona. that's insane what she did against planned parenthood. >> well, enough people perhaps in north carolina care about it, because when you start looking at these numbers and the tremendous amounts of people who came out just to early vote because of amendment 1, it looks like this referendum is going to pass. i want to switch topics. i know you work -- >> uh yo know something else, though, can i be honest? i believe every american has the right to make the biggest mistake of their lives and get married. i believe that. so let me just say that. >> i haven't done it yet. >> there you go. be careful. and by the way, remember, the more gays that marry, they will not marry your daughters in north carolina. remember that. >> we're switching topics.
>> we're back with jay thomas. your radio colleague howard stern is about to join -- next week, he's joining the panel on nbc's "america's got talent." here he is. >> they said look, if you're really serious about me as a judge. i've got to tell you, you might think i'm out of my mind, you might think i'm crazy. but i take judging very seriously. first of all, when these very young children come on, i'm going to want to talk to these
mothers who march them out there. i said they've got to be prepared to lose and hear the truth. don't call me a scum bag because i'm going to tell your kid he has no talent. >> the guy is kind of funny, i'll give you that. you know howard stern. my question to you is, is howard stern ready for broadcast television network or perhaps to flip the question, is network television ready for howard stern? >> he is the richest and smartest entertainer of our time. he knows exactly what he's doing. he certainly is not going to do anything like me here on national television. he's not going to do anything untoward. and i think that nbc should send a $1 million contribution to the parents council. they have added millions of people to watching "america's got talent" which is basically, you know, like a karaoke talent show. by the way, howie mandel's stage act, they have warnings out front. and sharon osborne isn't exactly
a babe in the woods. so i think it's wonderful for the show. and usually any group with the word parents in it means they're mad at everybody. >> why is he bringing up the parents council. it's a conservative media group. the parents television council, this is tim winter has sent this letter to advertisers that reads, quote, nbc's decision to add mr. stern to "america's got talent" will likely lead to a sharp increase of explicit content. does he have a point? because when i think about maybe the audience for your america's got call lent, it has to be kids, parents, hanging out around dinner. you know, watching tv. >> well, howard just said he's got to be honest.
when parents bring their kids on to a stage on national television and traps them out in front of the world, the kids have better be ready for honesty. nothing dirty is going to be said. hey, kid you stink, how about that. kid you stink is worse than somebody saying a bad word to the kid. you're no good. >> he'll be brutally honest. >> i hope the ooer judges are, too. and please, tim, if you're watching me, please write against me. make the parents council go against me. you will make me rich. you will make me famous. when you go against something, it causes people to tune in immediately. that's who americans are and god love them. it was a pleasure to meet you. thank you so much. >> pleasure. thank you. it is primary day in four states. the amendment that won in north carolina, in indiana a long-time
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>> a primary in indiana could spell the end of a long and very distinguished political career for that of dick luger. six terms in the united states senate and a significant force behind efforts to keep nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists. dick luger's opponent is tea party fire brand richard murdoch who recently told "the new york time times", the time for being kl co-lee jal is past its time.
let's go to indianapolis to our senior congressional correspondent dana bash. let's just remind us who dick luger is. we mentioned his six terms in the senate. tell me more about his stature. >> respect on both sides of the aisle has become a liability for richard luger. also the fact that he has done all the work you just described on the international stage. we were out campaigning this morn pg. he's talking about his work with trying to get nuclear weapons out of the hands of terrorists. but guess what? they care about what people care about all across the country. plus concern about republican voters.
i asked him about the fact that it seems to have become a liability for him to work towards compromise with democrats. here's what he said about it. >> the public as a whole may be unhappy with one party or the other, but they're very unhappy with the congress as a whole for the inability to make decisions and get on with it on behalf of jobs or on behalf of national security or on behalf of whatever. i'm a person who makes sure we do get on with it. that there is progress. with personal vigor, i argue with people, i try to persuade people, try to get votes on issues and i hope to continue to do that. >> so brooke, i basically asked, you're 80 years old, did you think about not fighting this incredibly tough uphill fight and just retiring and call it a stellar career what it was? and he basically said i feel like i have a lot more to give on issues others aren't
focussing on. >> so he says he's not ready to call it quits on the fight. we have his opponent, we mentioned he's richard murdoch. let's listen to just part of his ad. this is pretty much the thrust of his beef with dick luger. >> dick luger, no wonder he's called obama's favorite republican. >> there you go, sort of capitalizing, you mentioned it, as a liability. is murdoch running on a record of accomplishment or is this just merely a throw the bums out kind of thing? dana, you with me? dana bash? i'm going to go with we lost her, we lost her. we'll follow up and see who wins that one that senatorial race in indiana. meantime, welcome to the big leagues, kids. sunday night, phillies at national. cole hamels rockets a 92-mile-an-hour pitch right into the small of bryce harper's back. and you know what, hamels said
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she turns around and ahhh! there's possums in the toilet! >> not something you hear very often. mama, there's possums in the toilet. animal control captured nine of these critters. not before a couple of them were stomped to death by the family's father. the apartment management is offering to waive the family's rent for the rest of the month, move them to a new place for free in june. and there you have it. the possum predicament. some call it mommy porn and some are banning the book "fifty shades of gray." we're going to talk about why this is popular. and whether this dirty little secret for moms is too darn graphic. mptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion.
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for a good book apparently. this is number one. when i was reading about the back and forth, you have moms whose husbands are saying thank you for reading this and spicing things up, i guess. and then you have those on the other end of the spectrum saying ahh! porn! what where do you fall? >> honestly, i'm having a hard time understanding what all the controversy is about. because eroticism and erotic novels having around forever. maybe because it's geared towards moms or moms are responding so strongly to it and that's what's freaking people out a little bit is the idea of mom enjoying this stuff. >> well, you bring up a good point. aren't all those books on the grocery store shelves with the big guy and the woman -- >> right the fabio. exactly. >> thank you. it's totally out there. i haven't read this thing so i had to read about this this is about a virginal college student who gets into a submissive
sexual relationship with a handsome billionaire. some books are being banned from public libraries. they're calling it porn. what separates this book from all the other books or even shows like "desperate housewives." >> that's one of the things that made me think about it. i don't know why it has people in such an uproar, especially when you see "desperate housewives" and you see this kind of need obviously for escapism. there always has been. but i think for this demographic, there's a need for escapism. just like everyone else. but for this one, like i said, the only thing i can think of is, are they just thinking of mom as the apron-wearing donna reid character and that's why they're flipping out? i don't understand. >> are we still in this place in 2012 where people can't talk
about these things? this isn't about a book but it's about moms in the year 2012 reading about s and m? >> right, i was wondering what everybody is flipping out about. maybe it's the s and m part. but for eroticism, i don't think that's anything new either .pep in erotic literature. i'm a little perplexed myself. i think it goes a long way to say we really do need to look at who's running the libraries. people are making the selections but then to say we're taking this off of the shelves and that kind of censorship, right away, that's all the red flags. that doesn't make any sense to me. >> i don't know if we might see other libraries following suit, but you are a mommy blogger. have you gotten feedback from fellow moms out there who say yay to the book or nay to the book? >> the only thing i'm seeing is positive stuff. i see people making a lot of fun and kind of laughing about it and talking about mother's day and getting really excited about
it in a playful way. but i mean, you know, playfully, people are having fun with this subject being out there. that this is a trending subject that people are talking about. everyone seems to be enjoying that. so i don't know who these cranky people are who are deciding to take the books off of the shelves. open up to chapter 10 and relax. >> final question, would you read it? >> yeah, i would read it. >> all right. >> we passed around, you know, in school we passed around some book, judy bloom wrote a book for adults and we all had dog-eared the pages and passed them around. >> and so it continues. and so does the conversation even in 2012. >> thank you very much. >> appreciate it. coming up, an exclusive lawsuit against john travolta involving a masseuse and accusations of sexual assault. plus, never before seen pictures
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right after watching a storekeeper auction off souvenir ins stead of using set prices. did you know that? there's trivia for you. stewart was quoted as saying once you get people talking to their tv sets, then you're in. he died in los angeles on friday. he was 91 yeeshs old. topless photos ofaire lynn monroe, believed to be her lost photo shoot being auctioned off in new york. these photos were originally taken back in 1962 about six weeks before marilyn monroe was found dead. and movie star, husband, father. now john travolta accused of sexual assault against a man. i want to bring in a.j. hammer. when you read these allegations, it's pretty graphic. >> it is pretty graphic. >> these are just allegations coming from an unnamed accuser. actually accusers at this point. the name count has stepped up, just in the last couple of hours. travolta's attorneys are
attacking this lawsuit and calling it a complete fiction and fabrication. now, in court documents, a male massage therapist identified only as john doe alleges that john travolta committed sexual assault and battery during a massage which took place at the beverly hills hotel on january 16. now, these documents claim among some other things that travolta inappropriately touched the masseur also during the encounter. and he yelled at the plaintiff saying sexual favors is how you get ahead in hollywood. he's seeking $2 million. travolta's attorneys are fighting back. they say none of the events claimed in the suit ever occur pd .the plaintiff, who refuses to give their name knows that the suit is a baseless lie. it is for that reason that the plaintiff has not -- hasn't been identified with a name, even though it is required to do so. on the date when the plaintiff claims john met him, john was not in california, and it can be proved that he was on the east coast. the plaintiff's attorneys filed
this suit to try to get his 15 minutes of fame. john will sue the attorney and plaintiff for malicious prosecution. i want to point out, brooke, we reached out to the plaintiff's attorney who responded saying this -- we were in discussions a long time before the case was filed. it would not have been filed if they indicated they even had a mcdonald's receipt to show he was anywhere but in california. >> you mentioned this guy wants $2 million. what more do we know about him? we don't even know his name? apparently he's saying there are more plaintiffs here? >> reports just started circulating about a second massage therapist making allegations against travolta. the same attorney is handling both accusers. so we're working to get some specifics about just what is alleged in the separate case. we're going to have to wait and see where this goes, but travolta obviously enjoys the benefit of the doubt.
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california, last july. the video was shown during a pretrial hearing yesterday for two of these officers involved. we're going to play a little bit of this video. but as always, i just want to make a big warning here, this might be tough for you to look at it. if you have kids in the room, get them out. it begins with an officer's threat to thomas. >> plead! plead! ahhh! okay! no! no!
>> he's on something. dad. dad. >> i don't want to take those off. >> relax. relax. >> daddy. daddy. >> what's the goo it's name? >> you can hear moaning just a little bit. kelly thomas never woke up five days after that beating, he was dead. and now there's a possibility that those two california police officers we told you about may stand trial in thomas' death. legal analyst sunny hostin on the case with us as always.
we mentioned it was day two of the preliminary hearing. that video, that had to have made an impression. >> no question about it. it was difficult to watch, wasn't it, brooke? and these kay cases are very difficult. they're facing charges that are very significant. manuel ramos, a ten-year veteran, second degree murder and involuntary manslaughter. and then you have the other officer, involuntary manslaughter and felony use of excessive force. i think the issue here in front of this judge is whether or not that force was reasonable, whether or not it was excessive. and i've got to tell you, brooke, these are situations that police officers deal with every day. especially when dealing with emotionally disturbed persons. that's whey call them, edps. but there are certain guidelines in place. proper techniques that are supposed to be implemented when dealing with someone that's emotionally disturbed. it seems to me just by looking
at that video, brooke, from my perspective, it's going to be very difficult to defend this case as a reasonable use of force. >> how might they defend it? what are possible options if for these defense attorneys? >> yeah. well, what happened at the preliminary hearing so far is any indication, it seems the defense team is sort of trying to shift the blame on the medics, on the medical response. they're saying that perhaps the breathing tube wasn't put in quickly enough. so sort of a shifting of blame. but again, i really think that the defense in this case has to be that this was a reasonable use of force. it's very much an excessive force case in my view, unlike sort of rodney king. i think so many people are talking about that when they look at this video from california. it sort of harkens back to the days of rodney king. this is a bit different because you have the emotionally disturbed person piece. again, i think it's going to be very difficult to defend this case on those grounds. it just doesn't appear to be --
it appears to be a deviation when it comes to dealing with people who are schizophrenic and mentally ill. >> i've been out with police where they see members of the homeless community. a lot of them do suffer mentally. how will they be able to determine, i guess, questioning via the video whether or not they did, i don't know, go through those proper checks and balances when it comes to individuals like this? >> that's right. and i've been trying to find the guidelines for the fullerton california police department because i think that's going to be a significant issue. was there proper training? what are the guideline and were these officers given the proper techniques and training to adhere to those guidelines? those are all questions that are still out there when it comes to this particular case.
and whether these officers stuck to those techniques. but it doesn't appear to me looking at that video that would be the case here. >> you look at these cases and it was just because of this surveillance video that all of this happens to be caught on tape. >> isn't that something. we keep on talking about big brother watching. there are eyes all over the place. but for the surveillance video, but for that video, i don't know that we would be here talking about it. just yet, brooke, once again, something we often talk about. just the fact that, you know, as a law enforcement tool, this type of video is just very, very important. >> sunny hostin, we appreciate you on the case this tuesday.